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2 points by almkglor 6086 days ago | link | parent

A variant of Lisp called Skill, by Cadence. It's what we use in the office. Also C and a graphical language called LabVIEW, which is really a severely crippled functional programming language in graphic form. And a hardware modeling language called Verilog. All of them used in the office^^. The only thing I won't touch in the office is VBA.


3 points by spydez 6085 days ago | link

Wow. Lisp and Verilog? Sounds interesting.

What are you doing? Building lisp machines on FPGAs?

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2 points by almkglor 6085 days ago | link

err, no ^^;. Although I did read Lambda: the Ultimate Opcode, which was plenty darned interesting. http://repository.readscheme.org/ftp/papers/ai-lab-pubs/AIM-...

It's really more that Cadence uses Skill as the extension language for the IC design tools it has - their simulation scripting language is based on Skill. I've built quite a few tools with Cadence Skill, including my current favorite which transforms a simulation script that normally runs on one computer (and dependent on various paths etc. on that computer) into one which can run within a single directory on a target computer - a feat made almost trivial by Lisp-like languages. The major difficulty was with dynamically generated filenames, but all I needed to do is add a table-lookup function around each file reference argument.

I liked Skill and through it studied Lisp quite a bit. Sometimes I use Skill to generate Verilog code ^^, and I model state machines as:

  (input start stop)
  (output idle)
  (state IDLE
    (idle)
    (cond
      ((start)
        (RUNNING))
      (else
        (IDLE))))
  (state RUNNING
    (cond
      ((stop)
        (IDLE))
      (else
        (RUNNING))))
We could even conceptually model individual states as functions (as per lambda the ultimate goto), with inputs as functions (probably querying from the user) and outputs as displaying the output; it would thus be possible to write, at the very least, a state machine simulator in Skill, which would include a method of transforming the state machine into Verilog.

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1 point by tel 6085 days ago | link

After a bit of googling...

Skill or Skill++?

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1 point by almkglor 6085 days ago | link

Skill++ is integrated into Skill. I actually mostly program in Skill++, but distinction is lost on my fellow engineers anyway, who don't even understand the code == list concept. Skill++ is based on Scheme while Skill is based on an old Lisp, Franz Lisp I think, with dynamic binding. Skill can call into Skill++ and vice versa; Skill is a Lisp-2 while Skill++ is a Lisp-1; the namespace used in Skill++ is the function namespace of Skill.

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